Episode 09: Losing a Loved One to Suicide
How does a person cope with the death of a loved one taken too soon by suicide? What are the next steps, and who can you turn to? In this episode, Robin Minyard, a former attorney who uses her own experience to help guide others, talks to us about the emotional journey you have to navigate, the importance of 'withness' and community, and how to use those raw emotions to serve a purpose. Listen now below, or anywhere you get your podcasts.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Rhes Low, Host:
Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of South of Fine. I'm your host, as usual, and always, Rhes Low. We've got an extra special episode today. As you may know, it is September. September is National Suicide Prevention Awareness Month. This is a time for us to share resources and stories in an effort to shed light on this highly stigmatized topic. Suicidal thoughts can affect anyone regardless of age or gender or background. It doesn't matter. Every year, thousands of people die by suicide. Mainly, behind their friends and family members. The family members and friends and they all have to navigate this tragic loss that, many times, leaves unanswered questions for those that are grieving. NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Health apply states, "We're going to use this month to reach out to those affected by suicide, raise awareness and connect individuals with suicidal ideation treatment services."
Joining us today to discuss this topic is Robin Minyard. She is a former attorney who is getting her masters in social work. Though Robin is not an expert on this issue, she does have experience. Robin lost her son to suicide and then five years later, she lost her husband to suicide.
Welcome to South of Fine podcast from Right Track Medical Group dedicated to destigmatizing mental health in the South through genuine conversation about the challenges that we all face every day. For more information, please visit our website, righttrackmedical.com/southoffine. Well, we hope you enjoy listening to our podcast. Please remember that this is not a substitute for professional diagnosis or for the treatment of any mental health condition.
All right. I am recording. I am someone who can relate to grief for the loss of a love one, but I can't relate to losing that love one to suicide. I feel, if I did and if that were the case, that I would not want to continue rehashing the ordeal, but our guest, Robin, has chosen a career that will likely cause her to revisit that loss by daily helping others. Robin, once again, thank you for being here, as I mentioned before. Can you tell us a little bit about your chosen career path and why you chose that direction and what you enjoy most about it?
Robin Minyard:
Sure. First of all, thank you for having me.
Low:
Of course.
Minyard:
My career path really chose me. I didn't really choose it. Well, I did practice law for about 29 years. The last year and a half was when my husband died by suicide. I was at a point where I was able to retire. I continued working for about a year and a half after his death, but during that time, it became apparent to me that I really needed to get in on the frontlines of this suicide prevention, substance use disorders, that sort of thing. The best way to figure that was to get in to a counseling capacity. I spoke with a friend who said, "Well, you could either take it through the educational route or you could go through social work and social work will open more doors for you." In that consideration, I thought, "Well, I need to get the education that gives me the most bang for the buck and the largest venue in which to be of service."
Low:
Cool.
Minyard:
I got into the Master in Social Work program.
Low:
Wow. Wow, wow, wow. What type of law did you practice?
Minyard:
I practice mostly family law. For about 20 years, I practice child support enforcement and over most of the counties in North Mississippi.
Low:
Wow.
Minyard:
Then at one point, I withdrew from that practice, did not retire, but focus my practice on being a guardian ad litem, wherein I would go in and do, basically, social work. I would go into homes and interview children and parents and families and produce a report for the court to make a decision about custody or modification, that sort of thing. Then I got a call from a judge and he asked me if I would be his staff attorney. I said, "Let me think about that. Yes." The last five and a half years was in that capacity.
Low:
Wow. You're kind of a born servant
Minyard:
Kind of.
Low:
Yeah. Not to mention the fact that, yeah, at one point in your life, have had massive stressors, but also, it sounds like your life is committed to dealing with other people's stress. That's tough. I applaud you, right now, for just that. Not that we're here to applaud anybody, but you know, I like to get props with our deal.
Minyard:
Thank you, but I don't see it as that. I just see it as a necessary. I just see it as ... I don't know. It's just necessary for me to do.
Low:
Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about your story and your journey with mental health and how that has come about.
Minyard:
Okay. First of all, I picked up a hitchhiker when I was 17.
Low:
Is that real? Is that true?
Minyard:
That's true.
Low:
Oh my God.
Minyard:
This is all part of the mental health thing.
Low:
Okay. That's cool. Okay.
Minyard:
I tell my kids, "Don't pick up hitchhikers," because I ended up keeping that one for 40 years.
Low:
Oh my gosh, are you kidding? Are you serious?
Minyard:
I'm not kidding.
Low:
Oh my gosh. Hitchhiker in terms of, you had no idea who this was, but you did.
Minyard:
That's correct.
Low:
Oh my gosh.
Minyard:
Well, with the caveat that, at that time, my older brother was also a hitchhiker. That's what people did in the 70s.
Low:
Yeah.
Minyard:
He was with him. I knew he wasn't an axe murderer or at least, for two days, my brother had been with him, so that was verification. Anyway, both of us came from fairly dysfunctional families. He was from Virginia. I was from New Mexico. We brought into this. There was substance abuse on both sides of family. There was depression, anxiety, trauma. The issues were there. They just weren't really at the forefront of our lives. We decided, "Man, we're going to do better than what we came from." In the early years of our marriage, we both used substances. We're able to be functional about that. We could keep jobs. We could take care of business. It wasn't really a big issue. Went through in law school and then it became apparent that the things that we want to hide so much and we think that we're so invisible, they're not. That came to the forefront when one of our children was hurt by that. I mean, not physically, but mentally. That began some of the journey.
At one point, one of our children suffered some trauma from outside the family and was admitted to crisis care and long-term treatment in that sort of thing as an early teen. Then, all this time, my husband and I were both, well, practicing alcoholics, functional, able to really conceal it to the outside world. For the most part, it was. I consider substance use disorders to be mental health issues.
Low:
Robin, as a quick side note, that was super rare during that time period, was it?
Minyard:
No. It was not. It was widespread. Many of our colleagues lived the same lifestyle. It's not one of those things that's so in your face troublesome. It had not become such an issue that we felt that-
Low:
That's fine.
Minyard:
... it needed to be dealt with.
Low:
Right, right, right. Yeah.
Minyard:
Our son, we have a daughter and a son. Our oldest is a daughter and our second was our son. He became involved. He always had a lot of energy, kind of a Robin Williams kind of person. Yeah, a lot of charisma and that sort of thing. He became a chef and was acclaimed and became a chef to a celebrity and did well, but what we also noted was that there was a private struggle that he had with alcohol and it was severe. It was severe. In 2012, he had achieved a lot in his 30 years, but in 2012, the big surprise came when the Police Department came up to my house, he was not living with us, and informed us that he had died by suicide. He was 30 years old. Nobody saw that coming. There, we were forced to deal with that head-on. The next thing is, the next few months led to a real downward spiral with my husband and myself. Really self-medicating those painful-
Low:
Sure.
Minyard:
... things. Well, the first thing, I'll back up just a little bit, I remember the day just hours after we learned of our son's death, I had a friend come to our house who was a professional and sat me down and said some really hard things to me. He said, "You know, this is going to affect your marriage and you need to get into counseling right now, because you are going to grieve differently." I thought, my goodness, I've already lost a son. I can't lose a husband. We did that. That was mental health right then in our face, getting in there, getting help right away. Then my husband and I got into a 12-step program. Our recovery from alcohol and for him, alcohol and opioid use. We got into that for four years from 2012 until 2017 when in April of 2017, I came home from work and my husband had died by suicide.
Low:
He was sober at that point.
Minyard:
Yes, he was.
Low:
Yes. Yes. Okay.
Minyard:
He was. I think, that more than answers the question about my story with mental health.
Low:
Yeah. I think so, too. I think so, too.
Minyard:
To continue that, I did seek help after his death as well.
Low:
Sure. Robin, how long ago was that?
Minyard:
How long ago was what?
Low:
Was your husband's death.
Minyard:
My husband died in April of 2017.
Low:
2017.
Minyard:
It's been little over three years now. Yeah.
Low:
Okay. Wow. Yeah. You've had quite the experience with mental health issues. Wow. Typically, I can run off at the mouth, but there's so much in that. There are certain things that are said, sometimes, that needed quiet moment. I hope that our audience can reflect upon the fact that you mention things that are not out of the ordinary at all. Sorry. Talking about that, my father just passed away a few months ago, so talking about death is a little like on me. I have to compartmentalize here and there as we talk about it. I don't-
Minyard:
Sorry for your loss.
Low:
Thank you. Thank you. He's a good guy, very good guy. He's of that generation. I've been around many people who are, especially attorneys that are functioning alcoholics. That was just the nature of the beast, I think, in that era because there was no language for it. We're doing our work, so what's the problem. I assume that you would ... Can you talk a little bit about the fact that at that point and probably into the 90s and early 2000, there really wasn't a language for these things that were considered common place that are now understood to be indicators of ways that we can move into mental health problems.
Minyard:
Yes.
Low:
That makes sense
Minyard:
Yes. I'm not sure I understood your question.
Low:
Dr. Bryant is a counselor at Mississippi College. She's the director of counseling there. She talked to me about a lot of these things that this college kids are going through. They're actually common place, but they do affect their mental health. They can be a stimulus to other problems in the future. What you guys were dealing with was common place-
Minyard:
Right.
Low:
... and turned out to be a stimulus to more. Is there any way to expound upon that or do we need expounding upon that?
Minyard:
We do. If we want to talk about suicide, 90% of the people who die by suicide suffer from, one, either or a mental health disorder such as anxiety, depression, undiagnosed myriad issues and substance use disorders. You couple those two together and you have the perfect storm. So much of it, when we engage in over use or abuse of chemicals, we don't realize many times that we are self-medicating things below the surface that are undiagnosed.
Low:
When we stop self-medicating, a lot of times ... My grandfather, actually, I believe this happened to him, a lot of times, you can't handle what happens.
Minyard:
Right. Yeah. That was one of the things that ... and after our son's death, that was a primary ... We didn't even deny it. That was a way to cover up the grief and not feel anything.
Low:
Sure. Why not, right?
Minyard:
Yeah.
Low:
Come on.
Minyard:
Exactly. That was the best way we knew to cope with that overwhelming grief. That, for all practical purposes, was able to ... The grief, we thought it would consume us, so why not consume a little liquid medication and temporarily push that back.
Low:
Yeah. To breathe.
Minyard:
Yeah.
Low:
To be able to just breathe.
Minyard:
Yeah. What I will say is that, getting into a 12-step program helped us to be able to deal with those things in a healthy way. Primarily, in community. Yeah, to have a support system. It's easy when you're engaged in substance use, it's common to isolate, which we did.
Low:
Yeah.
Minyard:
Yeah. To be able to connect again with human beings and process those things was a much healthier way to go about it, but we had to lie on that.
Low:
I read an article. It was a while back. You said something about withness.
Minyard:
Yeah.
Low:
Did you create that word or-
Minyard:
I think I did.
Low:
... did you steal that from someone?
Minyard:
I think I did.
Low:
It's such a good word for dealing with these situations, because you said community and the withness, go out there and be with others. Expound upon that a little bit. It could be such a great asset for people to understand.
Minyard:
Okay. Okay. I have to go way back on that one because ... and to delve in a little bit, to a great extent, from a personal perspective, but when I was six years old, my father, he was a World War II veteran and was suffering from PTSD. He would go in to fly into these rages and they were never directed toward me, but anyway, they were intense. One night, he woke me up in the middle of the night, I didn't know what was going on. He got me on his lap. I was a lap kid and started reading a passage of scripture to me. Probably, the only passage that he knew was the 23rd Psalm. I knew he was agitated. As he was reading this to me, I noticed, even as a child, how calm he became.
I won't go into the whole passage, but one of the lines that stuck with me, and I didn't realize would be kind of a prophecy for my life, but I mean, it stuck at six years old. I never forgot it. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for you are with me," and it goes on, but so many ways that played out in my life. From that time on, it became a lens through which I view the world that I was never alone, that no matter what I was going through, someone greater than me was with me.
Low:
Yeah.
Minyard:
Later on, fast forward, I had a friend who, years later, said, "Who was going through a divorce?" He said, "You know, we all need a withness to our lives." That just resounded with me. Yes, we need a witness to our life, but subsequently, when I went through the things that I went through, I realized that I needed more than a witness. I needed a withness. I needed someone to walk alongside me. I have a strong faith, my faith tradition is in God, but what I needed when I've found that I was at my very lowest was that I needed God with skin on. I needed people-
Low:
His creations.
Minyard:
Yes. I needed people to show me how to get through this and to walk with me through this experience. They didn't have to understand my exact experience, but they needed to walk with me. That's where the withness came.
Low:
Yeah. You said something else in there that is important for people to know, because a lot of time, we don't know how to help to be there for people that are grieving. Well, your comment was, "Just be there. You don't have to talk. Just be there, be in the room."
Minyard:
Exactly.
Low:
We feel this pressure to console and make help and make you feel better, but just being with someone is worthwhile.
Minyard:
Right. In the South, one of our big things is to bring food to somebody. Man, if you have a loss, you're going to get some food.
Low:
Right.
Minyard:
That's all wonderful. I'm not taking away from that, but the most helpful things, for me, were those people who just sat quietly with me and didn't try to fix it. They didn't try to rationalize it away or they just sat there and looked at me and cried with me and got angry with me. Yeah.
Low:
Because at that point, it's not going to be fixed. It's never going to actually be fixed.
Minyard:
That's right.
Low:
That's great stuff. Part of this show is, we talk about destigmatizing mental health especially in the South. I think I know the answer to this, but do you think that there is a stigma around suicide?
Minyard:
Absolutely. Absolutely. For one thing, when we talk about ... and I had to learn this after, I was still using this language after the death of my son. We talk about people who die by suicide as we say they committed suicide as if it were a crime, as if it were murder. They committed premeditated murder. They committed. Somebody educated me about that and said, "No, they died by suicide." There is a stigma about that. Some of this comes from our religions. I'm not going to speculate about where all that stigma comes from, but I was brought up in an environment where suicide was just the unforgivable sin. I have, since, very much changed my views on that, understanding it as a more complex issue than just "selfish act."
Low:
Right.
Minyard:
Yeah.
Low:
Right. It's a mental health condition.
Minyard:
It's a mental health issue. The concerns that I have about people in the South is that in many areas, we don't have the resources, the mental health resources available to us. You get out in the rural South or rural America, in general, you just don't have a community center to go to next door. There are absolute obstacles to getting that mental health treatment that's so necessary.
Low:
Yeah. The stats on that are just ... I'm not going to try to quote them, but we've had a guest that told us the stats on that. It's abhorrent how little help there is available.
Minyard:
Exactly.
Low:
A lot due to the stigma that's associated with that.
Minyard:
Sure.
Low:
That we're strong and we can pull ourselves up by our bridge straps. You've mentioned a little bit about this. Part of that stigma around suicide tends to be, we seem to say, that was a weak choice or that was a weak thing to do.
Minyard:
Right. Right.
Low:
Can you expound upon that a little bit?
Minyard:
Sure. Sure. I believe, at the very essence of it and I'm no expert on this.
Low:
Sure.
Minyard:
I believe the very root of suicide is helplessness. They really don't believe that there's any other option. Personally, neither of my family members left a note or anything like that, but clearly, they were at a point where they believed sincerely that there was no other option to get out of the pain that they were experiencing.
Low:
Yeah.
Minyard:
Yeah. I guess it's a matter of semantics. When I believe that there is no hope for me, it's absolutely a point of weakness, but is it a point of moral failing or a weakness of my integrity or anything, well, absolutely not. It's a point of vulnerability, I believe, which I think can be distinguished from weakness or failure or anything like that.
Low:
Yeah. Language is so important here-
Minyard:
It is.
Low:
... and choice of words.
Minyard:
Yeah.
Low:
In fact, I was reading though some of the stuff. I was noticing how you never said committed. I started rethinking how I was relating that to others and how I was going to talk to you. I didn't know that that was a conscious choice. I thought it was a smart choice, but I didn't know that there was back story to that. That's great to know as well because that language changes everything. Okay. Understanding what grief looks like for each person, right? It's different. You mentioned a little bit, you and your husband, you're going to grieve differently. Everyone does. What type of emotions did you deal with and after your son's passing? What type did your husband deal with? Flush that out a little bit for us.
Minyard:
Yeah. That's a great question. I, primarily, with my son's death experience that overwhelming sorrow. There was no anger involved in that. There was, actually, compassion for him in which I dealt with by (a) working from can't and then when I got finished working, then I would drink from then until pass out. There was that and that's how I dealt with that overwhelming sorrow. With my husband, he was unable to continue practicing law. He just decided this was no longer something he wanted to ... was able to give himself to. He retired and ended up isolating and doing a lot of drinking and that was how he dealt with it. I think for him, there may have been more anger, but not at our son. Maybe introspective anger about what could I have done to prevent this or what could ... but either way, and he was not a particularly expressive person about what was going on inside because he would just go out to the garage and drink and smoke cigars and didn't really talk about it too much.
With his death, I experienced a whole different set of emotions, which ... I mean, the main emotion that I felt was intense, fire hot anger at my husband. How could you do this to your family knowing what this does to a family?
Low:
Sure.
Minyard:
In response to that, I was not drinking or drugging or anything like that. In response to that, there was this need to get proactive, which I believe was a healthy response to that, but I did realize that after I got into the MSW program, it became apparent that this anger was not going away and that one of the things they say, every therapist needs a therapist. I contacted our old therapist who had-
Low:
That makes a lot of sense.
Minyard:
It does. It does. I see it every day, but contacted my old therapist and there were two things that helped me in my journey to get past that anger and to the underlying sorrow beneath it. One was that my therapist knew that I was an attorney and that I was used to advocating for other people. Not so much for myself, but he said, "I want you to write a letter to God on behalf of this widow who is experiencing such sorrow and why she is." That made perfect sense to me because I couldn't reach that, but I could advocate for a third person.
Low:
Sure.
Minyard:
Of course, that opened up some pathways that I was unable to reach, because it was not personal to me when I was advocating for somebody else.
Low:
Cool. Yeah
Minyard:
Yet, I was able to really reach a part of me. The other thing in this program, to say that I got into this program for strictly humanitarian purposes, let's be real. I did it to help me too.
Low:
There we go. That's right.
Minyard:
Yeah, if I improve the question on motives. Anyway, I was in a research class. We were in groups. I just picked a random topic to research and that would be the co-occurring disorders of mental health disorders and substance use disorders and their effect or their causality to suicide. I don't know where I got that. Just got that subject in my mind.
Low:
Right. Wow. Just popped in there, right?
Minyard:
Yeah, it just popped in there randomly. Anyway, because really, what I guess I got into this program is an underlying question, "What could I have done to prevent this? What could I have done?" That was a huge thing. Anyway, I get on ... COVID hits and I'm on Zoom with my teacher and my cohorts that are working on the paper with me. The teacher is asking me a technical question about the introduction of this paper. She asked me, not once but three times, "What's the problem with suicide?" It hit me like the first time like, "Are you kidding me?" The second time she asked me, "What's the problem with suicide?" I just sat there and the third time she asked me, I had to cut off my audio and cut off my video and just boohoo it out.
When you're asking me what's the problem with suicide and her question was, "Why did people want to read this article?" The question that hit me was, "You don't have enough time for me to tell you what the problem with suicide is." I cried all afternoon. It was like, that was a damn breaking, that was a pivotal moment in my recovery. I was able to hit that sorrow beneath the anger. Honestly, that was a mental health turning point for me. Those two things.
Low:
That's an interesting point that we rarely get to outside of therapy is that their sorrow is a tool for recovery and facing that sorrow and allowing it, getting through all the walls that we filled up in our lives as adults, letting them crash down and just crying.
Minyard:
Right. Right.
Low:
That's design. That's human design.
Minyard:
Yes, it is.
Low:
Yeah. I've done that. Actually, I've compartmentalized too much with my father's death and I've not allowed it. That's why it hits me.
Minyard:
Right.
Low:
It overwhelms me occasionally and I'm aware, but-
Minyard:
Yeah. Part of that is, I think, for me was my role in the family. Everybody said, "Well, I was the only surviving parent. I had to hold this family together. It was on me to keep this thing together." People would say, "You're so strong." I would say, "No, I'm so helped. I am as strong as a baby in its mother's womb. That's how strong I am."
Low:
Right.
Minyard:
Yet, in order to keep that façade of strength that maybe I had to have, maybe, the anger serve that purpose.
Low:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Valid anger to get you through. Yeah, I had a thought and I lost it because this is good intent stuff.
Minyard:
Because that's what we do.
Low:
Yeah. That's right. Like I said, sometimes you just get up, swerve it and quit trying to comment on it.
Minyard:
Yes. This is true. This is true. Sitting with it, that is a very pointed insight to me is to be able to just, in our withness, be with that sorrow and not try to deny it and not try to push it back, but that's an aspect of withness as well.
Low:
Yeah. That's good. You got a book title there, I think. There's a lot of directions that ... I say that tongue in cheek, but there's relevance to everything that you've associated with that term and there's a broad aspect that affects people on a very individual level that we typically overlook. There's a simplicity to it that it gets overlooked. I want people to remember that there's a wide range of how people are affected and why things happen, and sometimes you can't see it coming as astute and as wise as you may think you are.
Minyard:
That is correct. One of the things that really helped me in my journey was, how could I have prevented this? What did I miss? What did I not see? I started this research project with the ideas that I need to get a picture of ... I need to see this coming. I need to see what the predictive factors of this are. I ran across an article, tremendously helpful article, written by Tonelle Handley in Australia in 2016. She addressed those issues of people coming into treatment and doing this. There are predictors. You have the depression scale. You have anxiety predictors. You have substance use predictors and all that. What she found, I actually communicated with her after reading that article because it was so profound to me, the upshot of that is, you can see some things and I see a lot of things in retrospect that I couldn't see then. You can have predictors, but you can't necessarily prevent it because when a person gets into that state, usually, they're not going to carry around the sign saying, "Okay, I'm not doing so well. Help me. They're going to isolate."
In the end, it is, whether it's a sane choice or whether it's not a sane choice, it is, in the end, their decision. We can predict all day long. We can point these things out as we see them. For me, it's really hard to see things in people closest to me. I want to deny that there's a problem because I don't want to see my loved one hurt. They don't really sometimes want us to see them hurting. You look at the people who ... Robin Williams, Anthony Bourdain, you look at people, and so many times, they are just the light of the world. They're so bubbly and joyful and they exude joy. It's just deceptive. That was so helpful to me, to be able to say, "Okay, even if I could've predicted all of this, I could not have prevented it."
Low:
Yeah. Yeah. That's excellent. I teach acting to kids last night, young actors, they want to get all in depth and feel the emotion and be dramatic. I'll always have to say, "In life, as human beings, we don't like that. We try to cover it up and avoid it, so remember that." They're like, "Wait, what?" I typically have to say and make a joke and say, except for teenage girls, "stay low of the drama," right?
Minyard:
Yes. I second that.
Low:
Yeah. Very, very wise stuff there, Robin. Thank you. I'm trying to get to where we can wrap this up. I could talk to you much longer here, but sometimes I get too drawn in, Robin, and I forget that I have a script.
Minyard:
Sometimes it makes for the best conversations.
Low:
That's absolutely right. That's why I allow myself. As we end, is there any advice you would give to people, to love ones who were suffering through similar situations as yours and other situations that are not similar? Just things that you can speak from your own experience, but things that have served you best.
Minyard:
Right. I would say, first and foremost, you are not alone. This is much more widespread than I ever imagined. If you haven't experienced it, the likelihood is that you will someday. Even if it's not in your family, it could be a friend, someone that we know will die by suicide. We will wonder what we could've done. I would say, for a family, it is about understanding that we don't have to go through this alone. That it is okay to ask for help. That is one of the hardest things ever to do, but for self-care there's so many resources, there are online communities of suicide survivors, there are people in the community who are ready and willing to walk with you through these situations and I would say utilize that.
Johann Hari said in Chasing the Scream or maybe it was in a podcast, he said, "The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. It is connection." I think that's true in every area of our life. The opposite of isolation is connection. I think that we need to tap in to that withness whether it's with our own compassionately be with whatever we're experiencing, not judging ourselves. Well, you shouldn't be angry. Just be with it because it is a part of us that needs validation. Finally, you will get through this. You will get through this. Just utilize the resources that you have and know that it is helpful to those who have gone through it such as myself to be able. It is an honor to walk with people through these things. It's healing for my soul as well.
Low:
Awesome.
Minyard:
When you get through it, as you walk through it, don't underestimate your influence on people who are suffering.
Low:
That's awesome. Robin Minyard, thank you so much for being with us. Good luck with ... how long of school do you have left?
Minyard:
I have another year of school and summer of clinical internship.
Low:
Oh, cool.
Minyard:
It's happening.
Low:
That'll be fun.
Minyard:
Thank you. Yeah. Well, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.
Low:
Of course. I've enjoyed it. All right. Thanks, Robin. That was a lot of time. I appreciate you being with us.
Minyard:
I'm going to drop my invisible mic.
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